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I've used hard pads, mesh heads and an electronic kit for practice. None have quite worked for me These pads are ideal. A set of these, coupled with the Thomann/Millenium "Still" quiet cymbals (more affordable than the Zildjian range) the volume of the kit is reduced by 80% with very good feel. The pads are easy to remove when the kt is needed for gigs. Highly recommended.