I absolutely love this cymbal. It is everything I have been looking for in a ride... A wonderful wash, good stick definition, a beautiful bell sound... Hammer! This cymbal opens up slowly like a great ride should and never any unpleasant overtones. The ride comes with 2-rivets for a "sizzle" but I took them out and the cymbal does exactly what I want. Great cymbal, great value and great service from Thomann.